Talk:George Brown, Baron George-Brown

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Former featured articleGeorge Brown, Baron George-Brown is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
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March 7, 2005Featured article candidatePromoted
September 30, 2008Featured article reviewDemoted
Current status: Former featured article

older comments[edit] at this...kooll..hmm

Yes, it's a featured article. I wrote most of it. If you can improve it, please feel free to make constructive edits. David | Talk 23:49, 30 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


One has to be very careful when dealing with this particular subject and the peerage, since he did not accept all the traditions of the peerage. When the article says he wanted to be known as "Lord George Brown", this is correct as written. He did not want to be "Baron George Brown", because it isn't usual to refer to life peers as Baron outside of formal naming and George Brown was a very informal man.

Likewise, strict application of category ordering would place Lord George-Brown under the 'G's, but that would be inappropriate in this particular case. He still regarded Brown as his last name. David | Talk 12:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Aye and thanks for the explanation. Greetings Phoe 12:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Leader of the Opposition[edit]

George Brown was Leader of the Opposition and Leader of the Labour Party between 18 January 1963 and 14 February 1963, between the death of Hugh Gaitskell and the succession of Harold Wilson. I have made some amendments to the Gaitskell and Wilson articles to reflect this fact. --Dovea (talk) 20:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Name and Peerage title[edit]

We need to be careful with the subject's name and Peerage title on this article. See above for an earlier discussion. Essentially the subject particularly valued the simplicity of the name 'George Brown', and would have preferred to be 'Lord George Brown' if the Garter King of Arms had permitted it. The compromise which was worked out involved him changing his legal surname to 'George-Brown' practically simultaneously with receiving a Peerage under the same title. The article lede has to reflect this accurately while also referring to the name(s) by which he was usually known by the public. Sam Blacketer (talk) 01:13, 26 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Brown and drinking[edit]

I'm sure I heard an interview with one of Brown's contemporaries at the DEA who claimed that Brown was not a heavy drinker. He said that Brown was a fairly moderate drinker but was completely unable to hold his drink, so appeared intoxicated after quite small amounts, which resulted in a widely held belief that he was a chronic drinker or alcoholic. If anyone can find a reference to substantiate or refute this, it would make a useful addition to the article. -- (talk) 22:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As he died of cirrhosis of the liver, this would suggest heavy drinking. Valetude (talk) 16:25, 25 June 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

At the Kennedy tribute[edit]

'When Brown went on air, millions of viewers saw him interpret a fair question as an accusation of his having overstated his closeness...' Does this mean he was claiming to be a close friend of Kennedy? Clarify, please. Valetude (talk) 16:20, 25 June 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Loss of City job[edit]

He started work as a junior clerk in the ledger department of a City firm, but was made redundant after pressing his fellow clerks to join a trade union.

I question the use of "made redundant" to describe the termination of his employment. Legally, redundancy means that a person's position no longer exists and nobody will be hired to replace him in that position. Surely the correct term is "dismissed" if he was fired as a result of his union related activities (then more commonplace earlier in the twentieth century), unless it can be proved his post was coincidentally abolished. How did he describe it in his autobiography (if any)?Cloptonson (talk) 20:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:George Brown, Baron George-Brown/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

needs inline citations and lead should conform to WP:LEAD --plange 21:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Last edited at 21:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 15:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)


" trade union right wing,"? That's an interesting thought. HOw long has anything to do with unions been considered right wing? (talk) 08:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You've removed it from the context - this is a wing within the Labour Party. The party as a whole was and is on the left of politics, but has an internal spectrum of views. The trade union right wing are marked by opposition to any moves by government to restrict trade union activities, but are also relatively economically liberal on issues other than employment rights (they think workers earn more if they work for profitable companies). They are also inclined to social conservatism, and to support Atlanticist foreign and defence policy - reflective of instinctive anti-communism within their unions. Sam Blacketer (talk) 19:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]